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What does the future of education look like? Dr. Jonah Schenker, District Superintendent at Ulster Board of Cooperative Educational Services (BOCES), aims to uncover the answer in this podcast, Leading for Deeper Learning with Ulster BOCES, where he and his guests explore the bold ideas and innovative leadership transforming today’s schools—starting with a timely look at New York State's evolving graduation standards. Season 2 focuses on NY Inspires, New York's transformative initiative to redesign education.

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“We’re in the midst of a revolution in education, and the stories that we are co-authoring will become the roadmap to a new, a better, and a more equitable educational experience for students,” says Dr. Schenker. “Through this podcast, we will have conversations with and ask questions of educational leaders, educators, policymakers, and thought partners. By elevating these voices and stories, we can move our systems forward to achieve our desired state.”

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Episode 4: The Future of Schools from the Student’s Voice: What Learners Need Us to Hear

In this episode of Leading for Deeper Learning with Ulster BOCES, Dr. Jonah Schenker sits down with four remarkable students from across Ulster BOCES Career Pathways Programs and the Center for Innovative Teaching & Learning to explore a question at the heart of educational transformation:

What should the future of schools look like?

Joining the discussion are:

  • Matthew Reilly, Center for Innovative Teaching & Learning at Port Ewen
  • Madison Liebel, Hudson Valley Pathways Academy
  • Nisean Abney, Career Academies at iPark 87
  • Fateen Akbar, Center for Innovative Teaching & Learning at Port Ewen

As New York continues its work through NY Inspires and the development of learner-centered systems, these students offer a powerful reminder that meaningful change begins by elevating student voice. Their insights challenge educators, leaders, and communities to rethink long-held assumptions about learning, assessment, engagement, and success.

Throughout the conversation, students describe the experiences that matter most to them—authentic learning, real-world connections, community engagement, hands-on opportunities, and pathways that help them discover purpose and possibility. They speak candidly about motivation, belonging, communication, flexibility, and the importance of creating schools where students can take risks, learn from failure, and grow. These themes echo many of the priorities that are at the center of deeper learning and New York's ongoing transformation efforts.

This episode is a reminder that students are not simply recipients of educational change—they are essential partners in designing it.

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